FS9 and FSInn

[Sundog337]

I thought I would try out FSInn because I couldn't figure out the alternative (Squawkbox) but little did I realize the problems I would have...

I had the same problem that many other users had - the server list wasn't updating. I finally fixed that little problem (started it outside of FS, then ran FS and it updated fine thereafter) but I absolutely cannot get the software to communicate with VATSIM. I entered my flight ID, my password and all of the information according to the flash tutorial thats online, and it will not go green. I don't understand what the problem could be.

I don't use any firewall software, and windows firewall is turned off.

I normally use Avast! antivirus, but I am running on a clean install of Windows for the time being on a NATted network for my DSL

I don't have any background programs running. I tried it on both my Cable modem and my DSL, same results in each case - FSInn button stays orange. It never goes green.

Any ideas?

[Sundog337]

Ok, it works fine with FSX, but I would prefer to use FS2004. Any ideas?

[L. D. James]

I thought I would try out FSInn because I couldn't figure out the alternative (Squawkbox) but little did I realize the problems I would have...

I had the same problem that many other users had - the server list wasn't updating. I finally fixed that little problem (started it outside of FS, then ran FS and it updated fine thereafter) but I absolutely cannot get the software to communicate with VATSIM. I entered my flight ID, my password and all of the information according to the flash tutorial thats online, and it will not go green. I don't understand what the problem could be.

I don't use any firewall software, and windows firewall is turned off.

I normally use Avast! antivirus, but I am running on a clean install of Windows for the time being on a NATted network for my DSL

I don't have any background programs running. I tried it on both my Cable modem and my DSL, same results in each case - FSInn button stays orange. It never goes green.

Any ideas?

Hi, Ben. First I'll mention that you placed your message in the wrong sub forum area. You're describing an issue for FSInn support, so I'm moving your topic to that area. This will facilitate others who may have similar questions concerning FSInn. It'll also help you just in case some of the FSInn fans browse the forum to help with the questions.

Ensure that you follow (or have followed) these steps closesly:

FSInn Quick Install Steps:
http://flightsim.apollo3.com/docs/fsinn/connectiontovatsim.htm

Then look at this for troubleshooting:

FSInn/VATSIM FAQ:
http://www.apollo3.com/ljames/fsinn/vatsim/faq/

Pay particular attention to the reference to Amber and other items relating to connection issues.

-- L. James

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L. D. James
ljames@apollo3.com
www.apollo3.com/~ljames (http://www.apollo3.com/%7Eljames)

[Sundog337]

Again, no antivirus or firewall software is installed. No spyware. No viruses. The system has a clean install of Vista, I tried it on both my laptop and my desktop. I can see no one else, but apparently I can be seen.

[L. D. James]

Again, no antivirus or firewall software is installed. No spyware. No viruses. The system has a clean install of Vista, I tried it on both my laptop and my desktop. I can see no one else, but apparently I can be seen.

Hi, Sundog. Look at the FSInn/VATSIM FAQ and let me know what happens when you perform the suggested resolution for the amber color you describe. It is question #7, “Why does the FSInn Button Stay Amber when I click it?”

-- L. James

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L. D. James
ljames@apollo3.com
www.apollo3.com/~ljames (http://www.apollo3.com/%7Eljames)

[Sundog337]

Actually, that was fixed. I just used the same trick I used for SB, and went under multiplayer and joined the local FSinn session which got me online. That part isn't an issue anymore. It logged me into VATSIM just fine.

The issue however still remains where I can't see anyone else.

[Sundog337]

I'm sitting in Fs2004 right now using FSinn, monitoring LAX, no aircraft are showing up, but I can hear and the ATC can see me sitting at my gate.

I'm open to any ideas. I'm getting hesitant about running my system without an antivirus program installed, do you guys have any prior problems with Avast! at all? I prefer to use it over the other free options out there. (Note that I still don't have it installed at the time of this posting)

[L. D. James]

Actually, that was fixed. I just used the same trick I used for SB, and went under multiplayer and joined the local FSinn session which got me online. That part isn't an issue anymore. It logged me into VATSIM just fine.

The issue however still remains where I can't see anyone else.

Hi, Sundog. I didn’t know you were still having problems. I was sure it would have been fixed, when there wasn’t any followup after having given you the suggestion. I didn’t know until this specific message that you were having a new issue.

When you connect can ATC see you? Are you able to see yourself in Servinfo? Are you sure you have connected to a facility that is populated?

Are you able to see traffic in the Inn Radar?

Again, no antivirus or firewall software is installed. No spyware. No viruses. The system has a clean install of Vista, I tried it on both my laptop and my desktop. I can see no one else, but apparently I can be seen.

I see you posted another message while I was reviewing and replying to your previous one.

In conjunction with the questions above, will you send me an image of the properties of your fs9.exe file from the compatibilities tab?

http://www.apollo3.com/~ljames/upload (http://www.apollo3.com/%7Eljames/upload)

-- L. James

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L. D. James
ljames@apollo3.com
www.apollo3.com/~ljames (http://www.apollo3.com/%7Eljames)

[Sundog337]

Yes, ATC can see me. I can see planes on radar, but I still cannot see the actual planes themselves unless I use FSX. I didn't look in servinfo, where is that? I was using LAX a few minutes ago - the ATC said there were about 8 aircraft around me in varying stages of flight/taxi, I didn't see any of them using FS2004.

The image file is uploaded.

[L. D. James]

Yes, ATC can see me. I can see planes on radar, but I still cannot see the actual planes themselves unless I use FSX. I didn't look in servinfo, where is that? I was using LAX a few minutes ago - the ATC said there were about 8 aircraft around me in varying stages of flight/taxi, I didn't see any of them using FS2004.

The image file is uploaded.

We’ll work with FSX and FS2004 separate. I’m glad to know that FSX works ok, but the status isn’t a requirement for FS9.

Looking at the file you uploaded, it appears that you miss at least one of the installation steps that I mentioned in the first message. Take a look at the modification of your image and compare it to the installation steps. Make sure nothing else is missing and post your results.

http://www.apollo3.com/images_pub/090103171810-fs9-exe-modified.jpg

-- L. James

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L. D. James
ljames@apollo3.com
www.apollo3.com/~ljames (http://www.apollo3.com/%7Eljames)

[Sundog337]

I didn't miss the stupid step, I DON'T USE UAC!!!!!

And for the record, I tried running FS9 as Administrator as well as FSInn as Administrator from the right click context menu. NO DIFFERENCE.

I am extremely displeased that assumptions about my alleged inadequacy in getting this to work. If I thought it would make a difference to enable UAC, merely to check a box that is greyed out because everything is already running as an administrator, I would do so, but since UAC is disabled and everything is run as an administrator anyway... it's a moot point and does not apply in this circumstance.

[L. D. James]

I didn't miss the stupid step, I DON'T USE UAC!!!!!

And for the record, I tried running FS9 as Administrator as well as FSInn as Administrator from the right click context menu. NO DIFFERENCE.

The steps doesn't suggest using UAC, it suggests placing a check mark in the field. I'm trying to identify why there's difference between your machine and and all the machines that I have succeeded flawless with.

I understand that you said you ran it as Administrator, so it's not like I'm asking you to do something you haven't said you've already done. I can't see how placing the check mark can hurt anything. But I can see where a systematic check might fix whatever problems you're experiencing.

I gave you all the steps in two links. Now I'm systematically checking them one by one. Thanks in advance if you will place the mark and let me know the results.

-- L. James

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L. D. James
ljames@apollo3.com
www.apollo3.com/~ljames

[Sundog337]

Ok, that's my point. As a single user on a secure desktop environment (I have to know Windows inside and out for my job) I disable UAC because unlike 99% of the users out there, I know what I'm doing when it comes to running programs.

I am going to try it your way, so I turned UAC back on (when UAC is disabled, the option for the check box is disabled, you CANNOT check it, because most programs run with Administrator rights anyway).

There's a slim chance that something won't run with full admin rights when UAC is disabled, but for the most part, turning UAC off, enables run-as-administrator by default.

I'm going to try this on my laptop which has all kinds of software installed on it, so the results should probably be taken with a grain of salt.

[L. D. James]

Ok, that's my point. As a single user on a secure desktop environment (I have to know Windows inside and out for my job) I disable UAC because unlike 99% of the users out there, I know what I'm doing when it comes to running programs.

I am going to try it your way, so I turned UAC back on (when UAC is disabled, the option for the check box is disabled, you CANNOT check it, because most programs run with Administrator rights anyway).

There's a slim chance that something won't run with full admin rights when UAC is disabled, but for the most part, turning UAC off, enables run-as-administrator by default.

I'm going to try this on my laptop which has all kinds of software installed on it, so the results should probably be taken with a grain of salt.

Hi, Sundog. I disagree with you that turning off UAC will make most programs run with Administrator rights.

I'm glad to help. Again, thanks in advance for helping me to help you, by performing the steps and reporting the results.

-- L. James

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L. D. James
ljames@apollo3.com
www.apollo3.com/~ljames

[Sundog337]

Well, it does. This is what my training in Vista from my employer says, this is what the online forums relating to Vista says.

I have the same results with my laptop. No aircraft are showing up in FS2004, but FSX works fine. Everything is set up as it should be.

There really should be a way for this software to run without needing that requirement, there's software that requires more of a computer system than what FSInn is doing and they don't need as much of an exclusive right.

[Sundog337]

I don't know what I changed, I turned UAC off, but even then it works now. As soon as I figure it out, or duplicate it on my desktop, I'll have to post my findings when I try it tomorrow morning on the desktop.

Thx for the ideas though.

[L. D. James]

I don't know what I changed, I turned UAC off, but even then it works now. As soon as I figure it out, or duplicate it on my desktop, I'll have to post my findings when I try it tomorrow morning on the desktop.

Thx for the ideas though.

As I mentioned to you, the states of the UAC isn’t a factor. It isn’t mentioned in any of the links I gave you. The check mark matters (as per my first message to you VIA the links).

Thanks for the followup.

Well, it does. This is what my training in Vista from my employer says, this is what the online forums relating to Vista says.

I spent many months trying various setup configurations to make things as easy as possible. I had included various configurations of the UAC states. If it would have been as simple as turning the UAC off, I would have mentioned that. It won’t work without the check mark. It will work with UAC turned off, but you have to have the check mark in conjunction with it.

I have the same results with my laptop. No aircraft are showing up in FS2004, but FSX works fine.Everything is set up as it should be.All I can do is study the difference between what’s published and what you have. If you have something different that what’s published, I could only dwell on the first difference that I see. After that’s consistent, I’d look for something else that’s different. I find Windows to be very consistent. If I find a working environment, I have always found consistency. When I’ve experienced problems, it has always been a matter of finding what is different to resolve the issue.

If it fails, there’s something not set as it actually should be.

There really should be a way for this software to run without needing that requirement,The developers of the OS have choose to place these requirements. We’ve studied how to use the environment according to the way it actually works. Maybe the developers of Windows will change things in the future. But at present, this is what we are left with.

I am extremely displeased that assumptions about my alleged inadequacy in getting this to work. If I thought it would make a difference to enable UAC, merely to check a box that is greyed out because everything is already running as an administrator, I would do so, but since UAC is disabled and everything is run as an administrator anyway... it's a moot point and does not apply in this circumstance.

Reviewing the thread I see one of your messages which I had already replied to was changed. I won’t ignore the users, and will take the time to respect their diligent typing by responding to what they type.

I’m sorry to cause you any displeasure. It’s my effort to help the best way I know how. I have worked hard in finding a procedure that works and tested it thoroughly. I’ve had lots of experience with people skipping the steps. It’s my experiences for years, that when someone experiences a problem, my systematic questions (if they respond) reveal that they have skipped (a) step(s).

I’m anxious to help. I don’t know any other way to put it except to give the link (all the steps) in one message, then systematically going over them one by one.

With all due respect, I hope to not only help the immediate user that has a question, but I also hope that the next user will see the resolution and possibly be spared a lot of time and messages by noticing what resolved almost all the issues.

Thanks for helping me to help you.

-- L. James

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L. D. James
ljames@apollo3.com
www.apollo3.com/~ljames (http://www.apollo3.com/%7Eljames)