FSX free flight freezes with fsinn installed

[airlinephl]

my FSX free flight freezes with fsinn installed when it is not my FSX works fine. how should i fix this? i can't go online and game spy is crap!!i get thi message you have been disconnected from game spy because you might have logged in on another computer What the F#U*K!!! i'am sitting in front of the same computer. so cam some on help me.

[L. D. James]

Hi, DeRonn. I'm glad to help, but I must admit that having words that resemble profanity makes it harder for me to read the message. Even though you throw symbols in, it still has a ring of profanity in my mind's ear.

Which version of FSInn are you running?

-- L. James

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[airlinephl]

sorry, game spy realy sucks. I'am running FSinn 1.3 beta 2/and FSCopilot 1.7 beta 2.

[L. D. James]

Check and verify that you followed these install steps:

http://flightsim.apollo3.com//docs/fsinn/connectiontovatsim.htm

Also, are you running in fullscreen or windowed mode? Try running in windowed mode.

Also, which OS are you running?

-- L. James

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[airlinephl]

you mean running the gane in window mode because it doesn't get pass the free flight part. i'am running flight simulator X acceleration on windows XP sp2

[L. D. James]

>you mean running the gane in window mode because it doesn't
>get pass the free flight part. i'am running flight simulator X
>acceleration on windows XP sp2

I'm trying to analyze and access the culprit. First I asked were you running in Full Screen or Windowed mode. If you had answered you were running in Full Screen, that could be one of the culprits. If you are running in Windowed mode and having the problem you described, this part would be eliminated. So having an answer to that would have put me further ahead than I am now.

Then, trying to save time, I asked you to run in Windowed mode. If you're already running in Windowed mode, it would suffice for you to tell me. Then I would know to look and try to fix something else. If I skip and go to try to fix something else that's not broken it would take longer to figure out the problem.

So, I need to know if you're already running in Full Screen or Windowed mode. I also need for you to switch to Windowed mode and tell me if you have the problem.

In the same message I gave you a link and asked you to verify that you did those steps exactly. If you've skipped one of those steps, one of those could also be a reason to have a problem.

-- L. James

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[airlinephl]

when i hit fly now the game goes to full screen.

[L. D. James]

You can switch to windowed mode by hitting Alt-ENTER or tap Alt -> View -> Full Screen.

-- L. James

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[airlinephl]

i put it into window mode and closed fsx then i installed FSinn and copilot. when i re opened it the fsx start screen came up and the muisc came on but the start screen stayed up i sat there for 5 min and nothing.

[airlinephl]

is there any other way to connect to vatsim

[L. D. James]

You could us SB3 with FS9.

FSInn 1.3 is compatible with FSX. It will not cause a lock up. There are a couple of things you can check. First, you might try uninstalling FSCopilot/FSInn and reinstalling it (as mentioned in the steps in the link I gave you to follow). If that doesn't work you might consider completely uninstalling FSX, then reinstalling FSX/SP1/SP2 according to the link.

I've installed it numerous times on many computers. Some of the computers barely has resources to run FSX, and will take as much as 15 minutes for it to come up. There are never lockups. If the computer will run FSX, it will run FSX/FSInn.

There's also a chance you might be having problems with your graphics adapter.

If you would do the latter and still have problems, I'll help you to analyze your graphics part of your system.

-- L. James

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L. D. James
ljames@apollo3.com
www.apollo3.com/~ljames

[airlinephl]

I'am takeing FSX off my computer and will re install it with fsx acceleration.

[airlinephl]

i did a full reinstall and the same thing

[airlinephl]

mannnn it didn't work. will sb3 work with fsx

[L. D. James]

>mannnn it didn't work. will sb3 work with fsx

Asked and answered in replys #9 and #10.

FSInn isn't the problem.

Can you give me the hardware specs of your computer?

What is the wattage of your power supply?

Check for updated drivers for your video adapter.

Also, try turning down the sliders in FSX.

-- L. James

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L. D. James
ljames@apollo3.com
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[airlinephl]

I have a E machines T2891
AMD Sempron(tm)2800+2.00 GHz,2.00GB of RAM
microsoft windows XP home edition virsion 2002 service pack 2

[airlinephl]

hay there are ths specs^^^^^^^^^(above)^^^^^^^^^^

[L. D. James]

I had suggested that you update your video drivers. You might be having a problem with the Acceleration Pack and your video drivers.

Give this a test. Fully uninstall FSX, then install in this order:

1) FSX, SP1, SP2
2) FSCopilot
3) FSInn

-- L. James

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L. D. James
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[airlinephl]

ok. and where can i go to update my video drivers

[L. D. James]

Check with the dealer of your computer. Many times they are informed and will help. Sometimes they are not informed, and don't care to be bothered. The later will often try to leave you with thinking that you're out of luck with updating your drivers.

You might also check with http://www.guru3d.com .

By the way, did you give the 3 step install test I referenced in my previous message?

-- L. James

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[airlinephl]

i updated the drivers but it still freezes on the free flight screen,but in all the error reports this are the flies noted.....

ERROR REPORT CONTENTS-
C:\DOCME~1\OWNER\LOCALS~1\Temp\WER2b2d.dir00\fsx.e xe.mdmp
C:\DOCME~1\OWNER\LOCALS~1\Temp\WER2b2d.dir00\appco mpat.txt

[L. D. James]

There's still no reference to the three step install test I gave you.

-- L. James

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[airlinephl]

all steps followed. and still the same.do u know any thing about that error report.and can i use the old virsions? and sp2 can't be installed with acceleration.

[L. D. James]

>all steps followed. and still the same.do u know any thing
>about that error report.and can i use the old virsions? and
>sp2 can't be installed with acceleration.

I'm sorry, but I don’t understand what you’ve done. On one hand it sounds like you’re saying you did a full uninstall of FSX, then:

1) Installed FSX, SP1, SP2
2) Installed FSCopilot
3) Installed FSInn

Then almost in the same sentence, it sounds like you’re saying you couldn’t. Saying you did the steps doesn’t help. I’d actually have to see you itemize the steps you actually did, to identify with where there are problems.

Will you try these steps, and itemize in your message the order that you did them?

1) Fully uninstall FSX
2) Install FSX fresh
3) Install SP1 fresh
4) Run this clean install of FSX/SP1 and see if you have any problems with the operation.
5) Install FSCopilit1.7/FSInn1.3
6) Run FSX and identify if you’re having problems.

If it works at this point, you might be having a problem with the Acceleration Pack and your hardware. If it doesn’t work at this point you might be having a problem with your OS and/or your hardware.

-- L. James

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L. D. James
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www.apollo3.com/~ljames

[airlinephl]

I did the following
1) Fully uninstall FSX=yes
2) Install FSX freshyes
3) Install SP1 fresh=yes
4) Run this clean install of FSX/SP1 and see if you have any problems with the operation.=no(FSinn and copilot are not installed)
5) Install FSCopilit1.7/FSInn1.3=yes, then the problem happens.

NOTE: I Can't run SP2 and Acceleration at the same time.

[L. D. James]

>I did the following
>1) Fully uninstall FSX=yes
>2) Install FSX freshyes
>3) Install SP1 fresh=yes
>4) Run this clean install of FSX/SP1 and see if you have any
>problems with the operation.=no(FSinn and copilot are not
>installed)
>5) Install FSCopilit1.7/FSInn1.3=yes, then the problem
>happens.
>

Ok. Understood. I'll ponder on this and try to see what would be the (easiest) next step that I would do.

>NOTE: I Can't run SP2 and Acceleration at the same time.

Understood. At this point you can install either/or. Before the steps I had given were set to eliminate the Acceleration pack and see if the problem happened. I wasn't sure from your other message is this was the case.

At this point, it doesn't matter which one you install. By the way, you can upgrade FSX with FSInn installed as a clean install because FSInn doesn't make any modifications to FSX. It only puts an entry in the dll.xml file which points to fscopilot that would be loaded or not. This can easily be toggled on or off by editing the dll.xml entry to read true or false.

-- L. James

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[airlinephl]

What do u mean by" you can upgrade FSX with FSInn installed as a clean install "and i trid it agian an hour ago and this black box pops up(During install) microsoft frame network or something, but then it closes or closes and an error message comes up and says it had to shut down

[L. D. James]

>What do u mean by" you can upgrade FSX with FSInn

I mean, the only evidence of FSInn being installed will happen when running FSX, whereas FSX will read the dll.xml file and load the fscopilot module. If this file weren't read, there would be no evidence of FSInn being install (to FSX or it's installer).

When running the FSX installer, it does not run the dll.xml application. So running the installer and upgrading FSX after having installed FSInn would be no different than running the installer upgrade before having installed FSInn.

>installed as a clean install "and i trid it agian an hour
>ago and this black box pops up(During install) microsoft frame
>network or something, but then it closes or closes and an
>error message comes up and says it had to shut down

This is as I figured. There maybe a some problem with your OS that's causing you to experience problems that are not due to FSInn, it just happens that you see the problem while you're running FSInn.

Also, if you try to reinstall FSX while SP1 is installed, you'll have serious problems. Even if it seems to go well, it won't.

If you want to do a reinstall of FSX after having installed SP1 you have to uninstall FSX before doing a reinstall.

FS9 was more forgiving in this matter.

-- L. James

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L. D. James
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www.apollo3.com/~ljames

[airlinephl]

ok what about the error message:

ERROR REPORT CONTENTS-
C:\DOCME~1\OWNER\LOCALS~1\Temp\WER2b2d.dir00\fsx.e xe.mdmp
C:\DOCME~1\OWNER\LOCALS~1\Temp\WER2b2d.dir00\appco mpat.txt

[L. D. James]

>ok what about the error message:
>
>ERROR REPORT CONTENTS-
>C:\DOCME~1\OWNER\LOCALS~1\Temp\WER2b2d.dir00\fsx.e xe.mdmp
>C:\DOCME~1\OWNER\LOCALS~1\Temp\WER2b2d.dir00\appco mpat.txt
>

I don't understand your question. It sounded like you were trying to do a new install of FSX without doing an install. I would expect for there to be problems.

Also, it's ok to clean out the temp file area every once in a while. It might not make a difference in this case. The temp area is where files are spooled to when a program such as install routines run. The temporary files would probably be created over, even if you cleaned out the temp area.

-- L. James

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L. D. James
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[airlinephl]

i tried it agian but thr same thing.when installing fscopilot on one of the screens it says: Warning
your fsinn virsion is not compatible with
this fscopilot virsion! You will have to up
date fsinn.
(Note:fsinn is not in stalled)

[airlinephl]

and also i tried using the old virsion but fsx start screen comes up and like 5 seconds later just goes away.

[L. D. James]

>and also i tried using the old virsion but fsx start screen
>comes up and like 5 seconds later just goes away.

If you read the link I gave you, you'll know the old version is immediately problematic. It should never be in the mix.

If you followed the instructions in the link after doing a clean install of FSX, then the problem is either in your OS or your hardware.

I understand it will mean a lot of work, but the next step would be to backup all your important data, then reinstall your OS fresh. Then FSX; then FSInn. Then check for problems.

Please be aware that there are at least four levels (types) of OS installs. there are at least two types of clean installs.

If you need help with the fresh OS install let me know.

-- L. James

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L. D. James
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[airlinephl]

yea. but will this take away all of my installed programs like my virus soft ware or will every thing be the same?

[L. D. James]

>yea. but will this take away all of my installed programs
>like my virus soft ware or will every thing be the same?

The purpose of the backup is that everything could start over. It would depend on the type of reinstall.

Three is a repair reinstall that will keep everything in tack. That reinstall might work. But the fact that it will keep everything in tack, it might keep the problems in tack.

You can do that one without backing things up.

If you have more than one driver (or possibly more than one partition) you can create start an OS on the alternate drive (or partition) and not touch the current things. This way you would be able to choose at boot time which drive to boot to, and built the new boot area non-destructively.

-- L. James

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[airlinephl]

yea i will try the repair first and see what happens. So how do u do a OS repair

[L. D. James]

>yea i will try the repair first and see what happens. So how
>do u do a OS repair

Boot to your windows disk. You’ll get two options for repair. Entering the first repair option will drop you to a DOS console. You don’t want that one. You want to use the second one. When you hit “R” for the second repair option, you can follow through and get a non-destructive OS fix.

It’ll keep all the settings, and insure the integrity of the files and structure. If the problem is in the settings, you may still have the problem after this repair. This will fix problems in many cases. It might fix the FSX freezing problems that you get when you do a fresh FSX install.

-- L. James

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L. D. James
ljames@apollo3.com
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[airlinephl]

"Boot to your windows disk." how do u go about doing this

[L. D. James]

>"Boot to your windows disk." how do u go about
>doing this

Put the Windows disk that came with the purchase of your computer into the CDRom drive and reset the computer while the that OS disk is in the drive.

-- L. James

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L. D. James
ljames@apollo3.com
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[airlinephl]

and this will not take any programs off right.

[L. D. James]

>and this will not take any programs off right.

There are ways of removing programs and files from a computer. But as I mentioned, this isn't one of them.

-- L. James

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[airlinephl]

ok