fsx crashes 10 seconds after connecting to vatsim

[waltonsteve]

I have a problem when i connect to vatsim, i can connect no problem but 10 seconds after FSX freezes for no reason every time AND IT SEEMS TO BE JUST IN THE LATE AFTERNOON OR EVENING IN THE MORNING IT WORKS FINE is it because the servers are getting full and it cant take it ?

I have FSX SP2 ACCELERATION windows vista 32.

Any solutions to this problem would be excellent.

[L. D. James]

I have a problem when i connect to vatsim, i can connect no problem but 10 seconds after FSX freezes for no reason every time AND IT SEEMS TO BE JUST IN THE LATE AFTERNOON OR EVENING IN THE MORNING IT WORKS FINE is it because the servers are getting full and it cant take it ?

I have FSX SP2 ACCELERATION windows vista 32.

Any solutions to this problem would be excellent.

You have a very interesting issue. Which version of FSInn are you running?

Try the optimization references in http://www.apollo3.com/ljames/fsinn/vatsim/faq/ (How can I increase my FPS with FSInn?) and let me know if you still experience the same.

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[waltonsteve]

I am running fsinn 1.3 and i will let you know today what has happend

[waltonsteve]

I tryed it larry and it works fine, but it is the morning so i will try it again in the evening and let you know.

[waltonsteve]

Larry i followed what you said and it has not worked.

Do you have any other suggestions ?

S walton.

[L. D. James]

Do you have any third party addon’s, besides FSInn, installed with FSX?

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[waltonsteve]

I have Just flight traffic installed, FSUIPC 4 (registered version), Radar contact V4.3 and quite a lot of various aircraft installed.

Is it to much for FSX to handle ?

[L. D. James]

I have Just flight traffic installed, FSUIPC 4 (registered version), Radar contact V4.3 and quite a lot of various aircraft installed.

Is it to much for FSX to handle ?

I don’t think there is a limit to what FSX can handle. There are many occasions where the order of the applications loading will affect performance. Check the FSInn/VATSIM FAQ relating to addons and let me know if this cures your issue.
This is the FSInn’s entry:
<Launch.Addon>
<Name>FSCopilot</Name>
<Disabled>False</Disabled>
<Path>Modules\FSCopilot.dll</Path>
</Launch.Addon>
When I get a chance I’m going to write a utility to conveniently place the FSInn’s intry to the last position.
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[waltonsteve]

Hey larry,
just to let you know i did not solve the fsinn problem but have now got the squakbox 4 beta which is very reliable and stable and easy to use.
I can connect to vatsim again !

Thankyou for your help,

S a walton.

[L. D. James]

Hey larry,
just to let you know i did not solve the fsinn problem but have now got the squakbox 4 beta which is very reliable and stable and easy to use.
I can connect to vatsim again !

Thankyou for your help,

S a walton.

Hi, Steven. Glad you're up and running. I'm sure the FAQ fix that I gave you would have resolved the addon issue.

I'm glad we have an alternate pilot client available. I find both to be very easy to setup, very reliable, stable and easy to use.

On rare occasions, such as yours, there might be an addon conflict (or third party AV conflict). Of course there are two convenient messages that I use as resources to identify the conflict and have the user quickly up and running (depending on how long it takes for updates on his part).

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[Renato Moura]

Larry,

I have a similar problem, but in my case, the FSX crash when I'm coming out of a continent into the sea or the opposite. Example: from the north of the USA, once in Miami and beginning to enter the Ocean, the FSX crash. The same happens when I come near Hong Kong, Sydney, Honolulu, Princess Juliana, Japan ....

Everyday I save the flight about 100 miles before these points and wait for system crash. After the crash, beginning the flight except the point and I look forward 10 minutes to activate the FSInn again and everything returns to normal. The problem is that the ATCs I wonder why I'm getting the offline .... very unpleasant.

-- I´ve reinstalled the FSX and all components. Use the latest
versions of FSInn (1.3/1.7).
-- Also removed all scenarios, add-on, leaving only the FSX / FSInn / FSUIPC installed and the problem persists.
-- Perform the same stretch of flight with the FSInn off and FSX does not crash.


Do you have any idea of what might be happening?

Thank you very much.

Renato Moura

[L. D. James]

Hi, Renato. Will you post your dll.xml file?

%appdata%\Microsoft\FSX

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[Renato Moura]

Larry,

Take zoon IN over New Orleans and see the crash...
http://new.vataware.com/flight.cfm?id=2034820


The File...


<?xml version="1.0" encoding="Windows-1252" ?>
<SimBase.Document Type="Launch" version="1,0">
<Descr>Launch</Descr>
<Filename>dll.xml</Filename>
<Disabled>False</Disabled>
<Launch.ManualLoad>False</Launch.ManualLoad>
<Launch.Addon>
<Name>FSCopilot</Name>
<Disabled>False</Disabled>
<Path>Modules\FSCopilot.dll</Path>
</Launch.Addon>
<Launch.Addon>
<Name>Object Placement Tool</Name>
<Disabled>True</Disabled>
<ManualLoad>False</ManualLoad>
<Path>..\Microsoft Flight Simulator X SDK\SDK\Mission Creation Kit\object_placement.dll</Path>
</Launch.Addon>
<Launch.Addon>
<Name>Traffic Toolbox</Name>
<Disabled>True</Disabled>
<ManualLoad>False</ManualLoad>
<Path>..\Microsoft Flight Simulator X SDK\SDK\Environment Kit\Traffic Toolbox SDK\traffictoolbox.dll</Path>
</Launch.Addon>
<Launch.Addon>
<Name>Visual Effects Tool</Name>
<Disabled>True</Disabled>
<ManualLoad>False</ManualLoad>
<Path>..\Microsoft Flight Simulator X SDK\SDK\Environment Kit\Special Effects SDK\visualfxtool.dll</Path>
</Launch.Addon>
<Launch.Addon>
<Name>FSUIPC 4</Name>
<Disabled>False</Disabled>
<Path>Modules\FSUIPC4.dll</Path>
</Launch.Addon>
</SimBase.Document>


Thank you.

Renato Moura

[L. D. James]

Will you do the suggestion I gave Waltonsteve above? Move the fscopolit entry to the bottom. I printed out the fscopilot block above.

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[Renato Moura]

Larry,

I made the change as directed but unfortunately not solved the problem.

I am making a flight at this time and when leaves the South America to Alantic Ocean the FS crashes again.

see: http://new.vataware.com/flight.cfm?id=2045945

dll.xml in use:

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="Windows-1252" ?>
<SimBase.Document Type="Launch" version="1,0">
<Descr>Launch</Descr>
<Filename>dll.xml</Filename>
<Disabled>False</Disabled>
<Launch.ManualLoad>False</Launch.ManualLoad>
<Launch.Addon>
<Name>FSUIPC 4</Name>
<Disabled>False</Disabled>
<Path>Modules\FSUIPC4.dll</Path>
</Launch.Addon>
<Launch.Addon>
<Name>FSCopilot</Name>
<Disabled>False</Disabled>
<Path>Modules\FSCopilot.dll</Path>
</Launch.Addon>
</SimBase.Document>

[Renato Moura]

Larry,

I'm getting with the image eroded with the ATCs. Again the system stopped twice when the transition from ocean to the continent. They are getting the impression that I do not want to land on-line, which leaves me embarrassed.

If you have any suggestions, please let me know.

I thank you, and acknowledge your effort.

Renato

[L. D. James]

Larry,

I'm getting with the image eroded with the ATCs. Again the system stopped twice when the transition from ocean to the continent. They are getting the impression that I do not want to land on-line, which leaves me embarrassed.

If you have any suggestions, please let me know.

I thank you, and acknowledge your effort.

Renato

Renato. When you upgraded FSX did you do this on a clean FSX install?

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[Renato Moura]

I reinstalled the FSX again, performed the service pack 1 and 2, created the loopback, I gave access to the 3 utilities in the firewall, I gave permission to run the programs as administrator, moved the entry of FSCopilot to end of file dll.xml, or is followed all the steps that are mentioned in the forum.

I flights to anywhere offline without any problems. When I try to connect and fly the same flights where it is necessary to enter or leave the ocean is that I have problems.

When I fly only on the continent also have no problems.

I don´t have scenarios installed and all the graphics settings are the default of the FSX.

[L. D. James]

I reinstalled the FSX again, performed the service pack 1 and 2, created the loopback, I gave access to the 3 utilities in the firewall, I gave permission to run the programs as administrator, moved the entry of FSCopilot to end of file dll.xml, or is followed all the steps that are mentioned in the forum.

I flights to anywhere offline without any problems. When I try to connect and fly the same flights where it is necessary to enter or leave the ocean is that I have problems.

When I fly only on the continent also have no problems.

I don´t have scenarios installed and all the graphics settings are the default of the FSX.

Thanks for the clarification. The topic heading’s 10 second reference was throwing me off, even though you mentioned it was at the end of a flight.

There are two things that I would like to check. You might consider checking them separate from your normal VATSIM flight sessions. You can do the experiments on the Apollo III server where you won’t have to monitor the flight (stay on the flight deck and have the controllers wonder what are you doing) if it’s a flight that takes hours.

First check and see if you have the same problem when connected to a different FSD server (using the Apollo III server for this check. Then see if it happens if you turn your sliders down sufficiently low. If you find the sliders make a difference you can turn your sliders down when you approach the 100 miles limit rather than disconnecting to VATSIM. That might also indicate that the little difference in performance might be the culprit, where performing a system upgrade somewhere in the future might be a permanent cure.

I don’t know what can be causing the problem, but like the other checks I’m trying to figure it out. If I experienced such a problem, I’d do the same systematic checks, then document the find.

-- L. James

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[Renato Moura]

Larry,

Results of tests requested:

Used same flight that always makes mistakes. Same situation original problem: FS hangs over Miami (VOR DHP)
Date: 09/16/2008, between 1100z and 1700z

KMEM / SBKP, FL350, ROUTE: MEM7 HLI V159 VUZ J151 CTY J91 INPIN J85 SIGNL J85 DHP DCT VZH SWIMM A315 JOSES UL304 ETBOD UL304 ILKIT UL304 CBC UW42 KAMUT UA315 ROLIK UA315 MAN UW9 ATF UL795 NILON UL795 PSN UW1 MENDS

Selected starting point for the test: INPIN, 200nm before Miami. Flight except for possible restart.

Results:

# 1 VATSIM - OCEANIA SERVER

Crash on Miami, aircraft repositioned

# 2 VATSIM - USA-W SERVER

Crash on Miami, End of the test in VATSIM

# 3 APOLLO III - ARES SERVER

FLIGHT restarted:

Implemented NORMALLY, without error in the passage in Miami. Land in Miami with the maximum of graphics configuration. Normal flight.

Thank you for your time

Renato

[Renato Moura]

Larry,

I am doing another flight (KMEM-> SBKP) exactly as in testing we have done today in the morning. There were no problems over Miami, but there was no ATC online. It was the first time that I made this flight and there were no controllers.

The problem may be related to the presence of ATC online, or even to the type of tool that these are using: EuroScope or VRC. This may be correct?

Thank you again.

Renato

[L. D. James]

I was trying to figure out what could be the difference between the flight you did on Apollo and the flight on VATSIM. You may have hit the nail on the head.

In the past, was it during your initial communications with ATC? Was it soon after you tuned to the channel before your initial contact? I understand it’s a lot of work to fly the hour or so to get to the critical point, but you might try changing your FSInn’s configuration to the alternate Wave or Directsound mode to see if that makes a difference.

You might also try disabling your third party firewall/antivirus software (and rely on Windows Firewall during the flight) and see if it’s triggering something awry.

A third scenario to check would be to download and install Roger Wilco, enable it as your voice and disable VVL.

It’s good that you have a definite pattern to check for the trigger, but it’s unfortunate that it takes so long to get to it.

-- L. James

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[Renato Moura]

At all times I spent with a location where the critical crash the ATC system was already connected and had no problems this time.

I came to contact, received instructions to continue the flight. It never occurred to halt the first contact.

Indeed this was my boredom, as I maintained a dialogue with the ATC normally and then I just disappeared from the screen and turn it into another position.

The Roger Wilco is already installed. Firewall and ativirus running at this point.

[L. D. James]

At all times I spent with a location where the critical crash the ATC system was already connected and had no problems this time.

Are you saying the problem suddenly stopped happening?

I came to contact, received instructions to continue the flight. It never occurred to halt the first contact.

Indeed this was my boredom, as I maintained a dialogue with the ATC normally and then I just disappeared from the screen and turn it into another position.

The Roger Wilco is already installed. Firewall and ativirus running at this point.If the problem persists (or returns) try running with third party firewall/antivirus disabled to see if this has an effect. I’m sure the Windows builtin firewall will suffice during the test.

-- L. James

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[Renato Moura]

No Larry, I am saying that in the past 20 flights that performed between continents and oceans, all crashes at the trasnition point (with ATC on), with the exception of today, which so far has not had any ATC online. Is very rare to happen again.

Thank you

[Renato Moura]

Larry,

Today I reinstalled the DirectX10 to validate whether there is any problem in the layer of presentation.

I note that these errors are happening when I am in an area controlled by ATC online and several other pilots are connected in the vicinity, such as in New York, Miami Los Angeles, etc..

I´ll Inform as soon as I have finished.

Regards

[L. D. James]

Larry,

Today I reinstalled the DirectX10 to validate whether there is any problem in the layer of presentation.

I note that these errors are happening when I am in an area controlled by ATC online and several other pilots are connected in the vicinity, such as in New York, Miami Los Angeles, etc..

I´ll Inform as soon as I have finished.

Regards

I’m also looking forward to knowing what happens with the third party firewall/antivirus programs disabled. I’m wondering if they are causing the crash. Also, a reference to using enabling Roger Wilco voice and disabling VVL voice would be helpful in identifying if it’s isolated to VVL.

-- L. James

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[Renato Moura]

oK,

Roger Wilco enable. VVL, Firewall and Antivirus disable.

Thank you

[Renato Moura]

Larry,

As agreed, following the outcome of the tests made yesterday (09/17/2008)

Flight SBKP -> KJFK
Roger Wilco enabled, antivirus and firewall disabeled. Okay, landing smoothly, ATC online .


Flight KJFK -> KLAX
Roger Wilco enabled, antivirus and firewall enabled. Okay, landing smoothly, ATC online.

The reinstallation of DirectX10 apparently solved the problem, but if new problems arise, I inform.

Thanks for your attention and help.

Renato

[L. D. James]

Larry,

As agreed, following the outcome of the tests made yesterday (09/17/2008)

Flight SBKP -> KJFK
Roger Wilco enabled, antivirus and firewall disabeled. Okay, landing smoothly, ATC online .


Flight KJFK -> KLAX
Roger Wilco enabled, antivirus and firewall enabled. Okay, landing smoothly, ATC online.

The reinstallation of DirectX10 apparently solved the problem, but if new problems arise, I inform.

Thanks for your attention and help.

Renato

Thanks for the acknowledgement. When doing lots of changes at the same time it’s hard to tell which of them (or combination there or) actually cured the problem. It’s possible that disabling the third party firewall/antivirus, then flying might have done it. Sometimes making a change to the firewall has a lasting effect that last even after re-enabling it. I have also seen many times where suggesting that the user upgrade McAfee to cure a problem with McAfee fixed some problems. Then there were some who uninstalled McAfee after having had a problem then reinstalled it and had the same effect as the upgrade had.

Since it was a problem when using VVL, switching to Roger Wilco might have cured it also.

As of course, the DX10 api is an important component with might have been the sole culprit or a combination of that and some of the other changes. I’ll have to keep watching for sometime similar and documenting the fix.

Glad you’re up and running. Glad you hung in there in helping to solve the problem. Since DX10 is a part of the OS, I might have resolved it was an OS problem and suggested reinstalling the OS if all else had failed. Reinstalling the OS is almost always a cure-all, but it’s also always the last resort of which I would consider a very harsh cure.

Enjoy!

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[SteveS523]

OK, I have had the exact same problem for the last 6 weeks or so and I am ready to quit. XP + FSX Acceleration. FSINN 1.7, FSCoP 1.3 Everything had been fine for most of the year. Then it started to die 10 seconds after connecting to VATSIM. I followed all the directions in the sticky. I uninstalled FSX, FSINN, FSCoP (TWICE EACH). I killed my firewall and ANTI-virus. I reinstalled DIRECTX 9. I ran FSFDTToolKit.exe which said nothing was wrong. The only extensive add on that I have installed was PMDG MD-11, and that was about a month or so before I started having issues. I uninstalled the MD-11 software, and still having an issue. Is there anything left to try? Or should I just bail and try Squawkbox? Thanks for any help... Steve

[L. D. James]

OK, I have had the exact same problem for the last 6 weeks or so and I am ready to quit. XP + FSX Acceleration. FSINN 1.7, FSCoP 1.3 Everything had been fine for most of the year. Then it started to die 10 seconds after connecting to VATSIM. I followed all the directions in the sticky. I uninstalled FSX, FSINN, FSCoP (TWICE EACH). I killed my firewall and ANTI-virus. I reinstalled DIRECTX 9. I ran FSFDTToolKit.exe which said nothing was wrong. The only extensive add on that I have installed was PMDG MD-11, and that was about a month or so before I started having issues. I uninstalled the MD-11 software, and still having an issue. Is there anything left to try? Or should I just bail and try Squawkbox? Thanks for any help... Steve

I believe the point of quitting is somewhat of a radical point to be in your initial message for help. It’s common to have three to five messages of exchange to get a full understanding of what might be wrong in a user’s environment.

You mentioned killed firewall. I don’t know what that means. Did you try your connection with your third party firewall/antivirus program actually uninstalled? Look at the procedure in the FSInn/VATSIM FAQ (http://www.apollo3.com/ljames/fsinn/vatsim/faq/) which will keep you protected while you test the connection without it.

Also, check the web utility in the FSInn/VATSIM FAQ that will check/rewrite your dllxml file to insure FSInn’s compatility with any addons changes you might have made.

By the way, you’ve described a connection issue. There are a number of references to connection fixes in the FSInn/VATSIM FAQ. Test each one of them and report on any changes.

Prepare for a few messages of exchange while we investigate your problem, or go the Squawkbox route. There’s a good chance that you might have a few messages of exchange to get a working environment with Squawkbox also.

-- L. James

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[doeke]

i am new at this site and had the same problems after starting up fsinn. I had first the sb4 but that crashed all the time.
Also with fsinn but after reading the suggestion of Mr. Lary to put some texture into other maps as copilotdll.
it works. nomore sound crashes and frozen windows.
So thanks for this.
Now I try to use my microfon but the question I have is
where and what do I have to put in the controller to get this one used.
I read about wilco but also about teamspeak and vva.
What can I do best and what do I have to fill in and where.
Is there someone who can teach me a little bit.
kind regards,

Doeke

[L. D. James]

Hi, Doeke. Thanks for the contribution to the "crashing" topic.

You have a new issue concerning voice. If it's not crashing your system, please consider starting a new topic so that it will be easy for others with voice questions to find it and use the items discussed.

If we combined it in this "crashing" topic, it might make it hard for others with crashing issues to filter to.

Thanks in advance for your contribution to this growing searchable database.

I'll monitor the system closely to ensure promote attention to your new topic.

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[Socalpilot]

...
just to let you know i did not solve the fsinn problem but have now got the squakbox 4 beta which is very reliable and stable and easy to use.
I can connect to vatsim again !

LOL!!! Sorry to laugh, but that is the exact opposite of my experience. After being with Squawbox since version 2 (2002), I switched to FSInn after having unsolveable problems. But...:rolleyes:...

I am experiencing a problem with FSInn that I believe fits in this thread. FSInn disconnects from VATSIM every 10 minutes. Below is the error log:

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/3753/fsinnerrorstv0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I am running FSX Acceleration on a Vista 64bit system through a 2Wire DSL Modem.

Thanks ahead for any help.

Joel

[L. D. James]

LOL!!! Sorry to laugh, but that is the exact opposite of my experience. After being with Squawbox since version 2 (2002), I switched to FSInn after having unsolveable problems. But... ...

I am experiencing a problem with FSInn that I believe fits in this thread. FSInn disconnects from VATSIM every 10 minutes. Below is the error log:

…

I am running FSX Acceleration on a Vista 64bit system through a 2Wire DSL Modem.

Thanks ahead for any help.

Joel

How are you doing, Joel. You’re welcome. Most problems are caused by some third party firewall/antivirus block. However, the details of your message are not the same as the topic of this one. To avoid confusion of others having similar problems to yours, please start a new topic or use one that discusses disconnecting problems rather than crashing problems.

Since there aren’t a lot of messages on this system, having each issue discussed under its own topic heading will make it easier to search for answers and for me to add follow-ups.

You start the topic and place the details, I’ll fill it with resolutions that will fit the topic.

Thanks in advance for the contribution to this searchable database resource.

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